Uh-oh, Students Are Starting to Talk Like Administrators

April 5, 2012

This is an excerpt from the Q&A following talks March 28 by KC Johnson and Harvey Silverglate on campus “Kangaroo Courts” that fit no concept of the fairness or justice valued in the rest of America. Here Harvey Silverglate expresses concern that students are beginning to imbibe “the utter, arrant nonsense” of their campus prosecutors.

QUESTION: For Harvey Silverglate: What about the mental impact on students that go through these oppressive and regressive institutions that American universities have unfortunately become? There is clearly a totalitarian mindset among these administrators. What do you think is the impact on these students? Do they come out as conformists or as rebels? And what does it mean for the political future of the United States as a constitutional democracy?

SILVERGLATE: That is the most important question, the ultimate question. All of us in this battle are involved because we know what it is going to do to the country ultimately. In the beginning, the students saw right through it, and I know, because I’ve represented students since 1967, when I started out as a lawyer. They saw through it when it started to happen in the mid-80s. For the first 20 years, the students really said, look, I just want to get out of this madhouse. I want my degree. I want to go on with my life. And I have many stories I can tell, but I can’t because the students prefer that I not. They just wanted to get out of this.

More recently, there’s been a much more worrisome development. Students have started to talk just like the administrators. I’m an avid reader of the Harvard Crimson, and I’ve been very upset the last few years. I keep sending Greg Lukianoff at FIRE copies of the Crimson, showing that the students are starting to imbibe this utter, arrant nonsense, not only nonsense, but stuff that students 20 years ago realized was insanely unfair. Now students are starting to use the same language. It’s very serious. So that’s the reason we’re all working so hard at this battle, because of what it’s going to do to the country.

I used to say that you can say things in Harvard Square, which is the public area outside Harvard’s gates, that you would be punished for saying inside Harvard Yard. And that was true. But now what’s happening is that the Square is becoming a little bit more like the Yard. And that’s what we’ve got to guard against.

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Loredana

June 2, 2012

I think Mr. Farnkoff touches on a larger issue that I’m not sure if Silverglate does or not: the problem is not prosecutorial misconduct, per se. The problem is that the law (in the royal sense) has gotten increasingly disconnected from reality.Shooting from the hip, I would opine the reason for that is that is the incredible inequality of class that exists in America today. I’m not sure it is either physically or morally possible to apply one standard of law to:* A poverty-stricken, junior-high-dropout, meth addict.* Joe Norman Rockwell with a white-collar job, a mortgage in the suburbs, two kids and a dog.* Bernie Madoff, Ken Lay, and all the other uber-billionaires.These three groups of class might as well be living on different planets, yet we almost laughably suggest that they are all equal under the law when it’s .Of course, having multiple standards of law just invites further inequality. So what’s the solution?I hate to sound like a bleeding-heart liberal, but I do wonder if the only real solution here is to force some moderation into the class inequality issue. Drag both extremes back to a more reasonable center point.To put another spin on this (and remember that I’m an atheist) let’s not forget that the fundamental underpinnings of most US law are grounded in Christian morality. That same morality includes a subset about giving away material goods to help others as a means of spiritual reward. Ergo, is it any surprise that most of the population views the massive material wealth and/or power of people like high-level politicians or billionaires with the feeling that there simply MUST be something criminal going on? Of course they do the principles our laws are based on says exactly that. And going one step further, why should be surprised that an incredibly widespread belief like that has been gradually, and increasingly, influenced the actions of prosecutors of the law? And that, in turn, prosecutors have helped adapt the mechanics of the law to reflect the spirit of the law, which again is rooted in Christian morality rightly or wrongly.

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